Post by Brian M on Jan 30, 2009 23:34:49 GMT
From: Charlie Thompson (Original Message) Sent: 15/08/2004 19:49
Hi, we recently bought two Safari caravans, a 12.2 and a 11.2. We were very impressed by the styling thatmakes them stand out from most other caravans, and we were interested to find out Safari caravans were based in Stroud, Gloucestershire, which is very close to us! What happened to the Safari company anyway?
We're renovating the 11.2, probably to resell next spring - thats if we dont become too attached to it! I am contacting you about the 1979 12.2. We operated the fridge from gas during a camping weekend and we had it on for hours, yet it was barely cooler than the the temparature in the caravan (which wasnt particularly warm). We tried another gas canistor, only to acheive similar effects. Any suggestionsAlso, we fitted the water pipes up and turned the water pump switch on, and only after several minutes of loud whirring did a trickle of water come out. The water flow didnt improve either. Was it because we were running the pump from the battery?
Glad to have found your site
Thanks - Charlie Thompson, age 15
From: Brian Sent: 16/08/2004 07:50
Charlie - Welcome to the group, I think you are our youngest member so far.
To reply to your various questions - The Safari Company was orgininally PEarman Briggs who are still caravan dealers in Stroud. The manufacturing side was bought out in 1968 by Cosalt who also owned the Abbey brand. They continued to make Safaris in Stroud until 1982 when production of the newer design was moved to Hull.
Are you sure your Safari is an 11.2? - I have never heard of this size - Can you let me know the serial numbers of your Safaris for the register.
Your lack of coldness in your fridge on gas can be caused by a variety of problems. First of all is the fridge working at all - if it is a three way, try it on mains electricity to see if the fridge gets cold. If it does you need to check the gas supply this should really be done by an expert. The pressure all the way to the fridge needs to be checked, and the pilot light in the fridge often needs to be cleaned. If the fridge hasn't been used regularly it may need overhauling or replacement.
If your water pump is in good order it should push the water to the taps at a reasonable pressure. Again have you checked the pipework all the way from tank to tap for blockage or kinks. Also try the pump in a bucket connected directly to the 12v battery to see if it is lifting water.
Hope these ideas might help.
Keep in touch
Brian Miller
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 13/10/2004 02:38
As a new member I have only just seen this message, in the course of browsing, hence the very late reply.
To add to Brian's comments;
1. Pearman Briggs (which some years ago became Pearman Briggs Leisure) are actually at Cheltenham Road, Gloucester; not at Stroud, unless they have a second branch there, and I am not aware of them having one there.
2. I was aware that Safaris had produced an 11 foot van, at some stage before the point at which I became aware of the marque (i.e. before 1974). They also, much earlier in their life, produced the Safari Minor; I have seen photographs of this (including I think one within this Group); very small, and not recognisable - at least externally - as having any family resemblance to the traditional Safaris that we all know and love.
3. I have had similar fridge problems some years ago with the second of my late parents' 14.2s, which were sorted out by the dealer next time the van was serviced, but I understood that all it needed was the jet cleaning. I am currently having the same problem with my present 17/2, and it is on the agenda to sort out.
4. You probably routinely ensure that you get your van level when pitching it, but just in case not (which I mention because I do occasionally see vans pitched where no attempt has been made to level them) it is worth mentioning that these fridges are acutely sensitive to alignment, particularly when running on gas: if the fridge is not reasonably accurately level it won't work.
5. Although I have never had to do it myself, I remember my parents telling me that in the seventies the fridges were a little notorious within the Safari Owners' Club for being temperamental, and that the usual problem was a vapour lock. This would of course prevent it working correctly on both gas and mains. The cure was then to empty the fridge and take it out, turn it upside down for a couple of minutes, and then turn it back the right way up and reinstall it. Apparently it was by no means unknown on a rally for a group of the tame engineeers in the club to announce a "fridge morning" when they would go the rounds of the assembled ralliers doing this job for anyone whose fridge was not working properly.
Certainly I have once successfully used that technique on a similar caravan-type fridge that an elderly and slightly eccentric neighbour was using in his house as his sole domestic fridge.
6. If you do have to take the fridge out there are two jobs that are well worth doing at the same time, both safety-related. One is to fit a high level brake light, and (for an end kitched layout) neat concealment of the wiring is most easily done while the fridge is out. If you feel that a permanently mounted lamp would compromise the originality of the van, consider instead a removeable one placed on the shelf just inside the rear window, and remove it when not towing; while the fridge is out (or otherwise) you can instal on the same shelf a neat and inconspicuous 12V socket wired to the stoplamp circuit to supply it.
The second job is generic to many caravans, not specific to Safaris, and relates to a danger which is surprisingly little-known. Some years ago there was a letter in the Caravan Club magazine drawing attention to the danger of corrosion in the main gas feed pipe at the back of the fridge; the length of pipe that is part of the fridge itself is steel, and once that corrodes far enough you have a gas leak in close proximity to the lit pilot jet. Ouch!! Apparently the writer of that letter found that he had just such a leak, although I don't now remember whether he discovered it before or after a devastating fire. While the fridge is out it is therefore sensible to clean up and repaint that gas pipe.
In the days when I did my own servicing I put this into my standard routine service items, at least to take it out and check it, at three-year intervals. I actually only needed to repaint it once, because I used about three coats of Hammerite, and at every subsequent check it was still in perfect condition.
Yours,
Oliver
Hi, we recently bought two Safari caravans, a 12.2 and a 11.2. We were very impressed by the styling thatmakes them stand out from most other caravans, and we were interested to find out Safari caravans were based in Stroud, Gloucestershire, which is very close to us! What happened to the Safari company anyway?
We're renovating the 11.2, probably to resell next spring - thats if we dont become too attached to it! I am contacting you about the 1979 12.2. We operated the fridge from gas during a camping weekend and we had it on for hours, yet it was barely cooler than the the temparature in the caravan (which wasnt particularly warm). We tried another gas canistor, only to acheive similar effects. Any suggestionsAlso, we fitted the water pipes up and turned the water pump switch on, and only after several minutes of loud whirring did a trickle of water come out. The water flow didnt improve either. Was it because we were running the pump from the battery?
Glad to have found your site
Thanks - Charlie Thompson, age 15
From: Brian Sent: 16/08/2004 07:50
Charlie - Welcome to the group, I think you are our youngest member so far.
To reply to your various questions - The Safari Company was orgininally PEarman Briggs who are still caravan dealers in Stroud. The manufacturing side was bought out in 1968 by Cosalt who also owned the Abbey brand. They continued to make Safaris in Stroud until 1982 when production of the newer design was moved to Hull.
Are you sure your Safari is an 11.2? - I have never heard of this size - Can you let me know the serial numbers of your Safaris for the register.
Your lack of coldness in your fridge on gas can be caused by a variety of problems. First of all is the fridge working at all - if it is a three way, try it on mains electricity to see if the fridge gets cold. If it does you need to check the gas supply this should really be done by an expert. The pressure all the way to the fridge needs to be checked, and the pilot light in the fridge often needs to be cleaned. If the fridge hasn't been used regularly it may need overhauling or replacement.
If your water pump is in good order it should push the water to the taps at a reasonable pressure. Again have you checked the pipework all the way from tank to tap for blockage or kinks. Also try the pump in a bucket connected directly to the 12v battery to see if it is lifting water.
Hope these ideas might help.
Keep in touch
Brian Miller
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 13/10/2004 02:38
As a new member I have only just seen this message, in the course of browsing, hence the very late reply.
To add to Brian's comments;
1. Pearman Briggs (which some years ago became Pearman Briggs Leisure) are actually at Cheltenham Road, Gloucester; not at Stroud, unless they have a second branch there, and I am not aware of them having one there.
2. I was aware that Safaris had produced an 11 foot van, at some stage before the point at which I became aware of the marque (i.e. before 1974). They also, much earlier in their life, produced the Safari Minor; I have seen photographs of this (including I think one within this Group); very small, and not recognisable - at least externally - as having any family resemblance to the traditional Safaris that we all know and love.
3. I have had similar fridge problems some years ago with the second of my late parents' 14.2s, which were sorted out by the dealer next time the van was serviced, but I understood that all it needed was the jet cleaning. I am currently having the same problem with my present 17/2, and it is on the agenda to sort out.
4. You probably routinely ensure that you get your van level when pitching it, but just in case not (which I mention because I do occasionally see vans pitched where no attempt has been made to level them) it is worth mentioning that these fridges are acutely sensitive to alignment, particularly when running on gas: if the fridge is not reasonably accurately level it won't work.
5. Although I have never had to do it myself, I remember my parents telling me that in the seventies the fridges were a little notorious within the Safari Owners' Club for being temperamental, and that the usual problem was a vapour lock. This would of course prevent it working correctly on both gas and mains. The cure was then to empty the fridge and take it out, turn it upside down for a couple of minutes, and then turn it back the right way up and reinstall it. Apparently it was by no means unknown on a rally for a group of the tame engineeers in the club to announce a "fridge morning" when they would go the rounds of the assembled ralliers doing this job for anyone whose fridge was not working properly.
Certainly I have once successfully used that technique on a similar caravan-type fridge that an elderly and slightly eccentric neighbour was using in his house as his sole domestic fridge.
6. If you do have to take the fridge out there are two jobs that are well worth doing at the same time, both safety-related. One is to fit a high level brake light, and (for an end kitched layout) neat concealment of the wiring is most easily done while the fridge is out. If you feel that a permanently mounted lamp would compromise the originality of the van, consider instead a removeable one placed on the shelf just inside the rear window, and remove it when not towing; while the fridge is out (or otherwise) you can instal on the same shelf a neat and inconspicuous 12V socket wired to the stoplamp circuit to supply it.
The second job is generic to many caravans, not specific to Safaris, and relates to a danger which is surprisingly little-known. Some years ago there was a letter in the Caravan Club magazine drawing attention to the danger of corrosion in the main gas feed pipe at the back of the fridge; the length of pipe that is part of the fridge itself is steel, and once that corrodes far enough you have a gas leak in close proximity to the lit pilot jet. Ouch!! Apparently the writer of that letter found that he had just such a leak, although I don't now remember whether he discovered it before or after a devastating fire. While the fridge is out it is therefore sensible to clean up and repaint that gas pipe.
In the days when I did my own servicing I put this into my standard routine service items, at least to take it out and check it, at three-year intervals. I actually only needed to repaint it once, because I used about three coats of Hammerite, and at every subsequent check it was still in perfect condition.
Yours,
Oliver