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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 20:45:52 GMT
From: Brian (Original Message) Sent: 18/03/2005 20:12
1962 to1966/7
Two piece front window, round top to door, a wide contrasting stripe the same height as the windows, running between the windows.
1966/7 to 1972/4 a narrower stripe below the windows with a drop to front and rear
1974 to 1978/9
Rounded top to door changed to square top, side stripe lost the drop to the rear, front locker changed to more streamlined shape. Rear panel has raised plinths for lights, number plate and triangles.
1978/9 to 1980/1
Gained smaller stripe above windows matching the lower stripe. Front long cushions gained a bolster edge. At some time, lower rear panel changed to oblong square board housing lights, triangles and number plate
1980 modernised rear panel, with larger lights placed higher, and stylised panel between triangle plinths.
1982 - shape was discontinued.
I need to know:
1. When double glazed windows were introduced
2. When the louvred window on the toilet was introduced
3. When the round front badge was cjangned to the "winged" variety
Brian Miller
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:40:26 GMT
From: Brian Sent: 18/03/2005 20:15
Further to my email earlier today, on second thoughts I wonder whether the photograph of the 1979 rear end (Ianny's 12-2 For Sale) may be setting a false trail.
We know that the date is 1979, because the serial number is quoted, and it is abundantly clear from the photograph that the 'van uses what appears to be the rear panel that was used up to 1978 but the lights that were used in 1980; what is not adequately clear from the photograph is whether the lamps currently fitted are original.
These lamps have a different footprint from the earlier ones, so if they have been fitted to an unaltered 1978 rear panel the plinths would appear to be the wrong shape and size for the lamps. The makers could have modified the rear panel for just this one year, but that would seem to be either unnecessary duplication of moulds for a very short production run of the new panel, since they significantly changed the design again the following year - and they would presumably have to also be able to produce repair panels of all three designs. If alternatively on the 1979 'vans they made ad hoc modifications to the 1978 panels after moulding them, that would seem to be unnecessarily increasing their labour costs.
If however the 1979 design continued to be identical to the design up to 1978, including still the same lights, it is still possible that the 'van in the photo has had the later lamps fitted retrospectively. That might make it a one-off case.
It would be interesting to know ...
Regards,
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:41:06 GMT
From: Brian Sent: 18/03/2005 20:22
I believe the end of the line was 1982; certainly not 1981, since our first 14/2 was 1982 and was one of the very last 14/2s made, but I have no actual hard evidence as to when other models ceased.
I think that were are probably in a position to start assembling photographs of these. I hope to be able to supply some shortly, and I note that some of the photos already posted may be helpful in this.
However there is a possible complication: it was not unknown amongst classic motor manufacturers (certainly Rover, to my knowledge, and no doubt many others) to bring in changes piecemeal as they used up existing stock of older parts and panels, etc., and although I was not aware of that applying to Safari caravans (until I started compiling this document) I see no reason why the manufacturers should not have done so. I do know that in 1974, when our first one was built, they built only one model at any one time: the small dealer from whom we bought our 1974 12/2 told us that he only stocked one Safari at a time, because they were so expensive, and that he used that to demonstrate the quality and then asked customers to order from the catalogue; he also told us that when his current Safari was sold he then ordered another one, and took whatever model they happened to be building that week.
With that reservation, I point to the following photos already posted that may assist in dating. Please be aware that I intend these comments as being only for the purpose stated, and they are certainly not intended to reflect in any way on another owner's pride and joy except insofar as points in the photos may be a guide to dating other Safaris.
Wherever I have been readily able to confirm the date from a serial number or information published in the group by an owner that is the date I have used; in other cases I have dated them from my own knowledge of the features noted, but would welcome correction of any errors.
Grab Handles
At first glance no changes, but ...
(Up to) 1978: each mounting plate secured by 3 roundhead screws, driven into the wood framing from outside. (Comment based on one single 1978 'van, but presume the design was the same for all up to this point).
1980 and on: each mounting plate through bolted; nuts on inside panel of caravan, behind curtains, and concealed with domed capping.
Rear Panel and Road Lighting
1981/2: See Kyte1938\p1010021.jpg - this gives an excellent view of the final form of the rear panel and road lights (new for 1981). Note the raised plinth for the road lights and number plate, the raised plinths for the warning triangles, the full width raised ridge below the warning triangles, and the integral reversing lights.
1980: See Paul's Safari\brandsmay4, lefthand 'van. Note the rectangular 3-section rearlamp/stoplamp/indicator clusters (larger than the previous tapered 3-section lamps), single full-width plinth for mounting everything (new this year), still no reversing lamps (unless you add your own).
1979: See Ianny's 12-2 For Sale (only one photo). New lamps, same as the 1980 pattern, but still separate plinths for lamps and triangles and numberplate.
1974(?) to 1978 (I know this design to have been current from 74 to 78, but may have started earlier - have not been able to ascertain that point): See Margaret's Safari\Safari12-2 Rear. See also Before and After\Lights Now Working. This clearly shows the tapered rectangular style of three-section rearlamp/stoplamp/indicator cluster. Essentially the same shape to the rear panel up to 1978, but at some stage before 1974 lights varied; my own photos indicate that the 1974 rear panel and rearlights (for our 12/2) were identical to those for my 1978 17/2.
2 contrasting examples: See Paul's Safari\brandsmay4 Left hand 'van appears to be 1980; right hand appears to be 1974-78.
Date uncertain: Nimueandme photo's\ P1010146.jpg It would be most interesting to have the date of this 'van, and clarification of the rearlights. Good photo of rear panel as used up to 1979. Rearlamp/indicator cluster appears to be pre-74 (i.e. two-section, rectangular, with no taper), but also appears to be mounted on a plinth that is wider than the lamp assembly. I wonder whether these are the original lamps, or a replacement at some stage?
60s?: See Ssmillan\3respray99. I had not seen this rear end arrangement before. Quite striking and attractive; do we know whether it is original or a later modification? Note the very different lights, the boxed almost square number plate, and just below the window what I presume is a different vent for the fridge.
60s(?): See Oxford Safari\saf2. Very like the later rear panel and lights (up to 1978), but a different shape of light units; a simple rectangle (i.e. no taper), and it looks like just two regions rather than three. Note that this van does not have the quite striking features noted in the rear of Ssmillan\3respray99. Note also that the front window (seen on the first photo in the folder) seems too late a period for the rest of the van, so there are some doubts about originality.
60s(?): See Old Classic Safari Caravans\Safari201. Some similarities with Ssmillan\3respray99, but also some obvious points of difference: lower set of lamps also have double circular elements in the design, but not the same lamps; square number plate mounted proud of panel, but higher and not boxed in the same way; a stoneguard panel with a cusp in the boundary between this and the main rear panel; the modern-style fridge vent. Upper set of lamps likely to be a modern addition, and the different triangles (with "period" ones fitted to this 'van) are not a reliable indicator since many will be modern replacements whatever the age of the van - and the modern design were certainly on the market in the late 60s, when I first bought a pair.
Note also for this van the shape of the roof above the door; a distinct cusp, rather than the ogee curve on found all younger Safaris.
Toilet Windows
Data:
Ianny's 12-2 For Sale (only one photo) is known to be 1979 (serial number given), has the same rear panel as 'vans up to 78 but the same lights as 1980 'vans, and has the louvred window.
My own 1978 17/2 (serial number 78110) same rear panel but the earlier pattern lights, and a non-louvred window.
Margaret's Safari\Safari12-2 Rear has the same rear panel, the same lights as mine, but the louvred window.
One possibility is that Margaret's Safari was built at some time between my 17/2 in 1978 and Ianny's 12/2 in 1979. However it is also possible that either Margaret's one or my one has had the window changed at some time.
Hence if all three 'vans still have their original loo windows it seems that the louvred window was introduced in either 1978 or 1979.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:41:50 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 30/04/2005 18:29
Introduction of Double Glazing
We already know that my late parents' 1974 12/2 was single glazed and that my 1978 17/2 is double glazed, so in dating the introduction of double glazing we are looking at somewhere within that 4-year slot.
I have now just seen a 1976 12/2, serial number (from memory) 76305, which appears to be on the transition point. Main windows, at least at the front, are double glazed. Rooflights (in the lantern roof) are single glazed.
It was only after I came home that I realised I had not noticed which type the door window has, and had not looked at the rear windows (kitchen and loo).
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:42:18 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 02/05/2005 10:02
Several photos in the Group, of older Safaris, show a full-height vertical beading up the sides at the middle of the van. This looks like a panel join, and I have now seen so many that I suspect it may be original on the earlier 'vans. Does anyone know whether this guess is correct?
Later 'vans had full-length panels with no such vertical beading. If the earlier ones did in fact have half-length panels joined in the middle, does anyone know when the transition came in? Certainly many of the photographs of 'vans with this beading, or at least what appears to be this beading, also have the drop in the stripe at rear as well as front, but there is also at least one with the later stripe which still carries a mark on the top panel (only) that might be this vertical beading (Lynn and Paul's Safari, first photo), and another one (First Trip, second photo), although from the size of the first photo and the angle of the second I cannot be certain.
Brian dates the change in the stripe as 1972-4. I know that my late parents' 1974 12/2, that introduced us to the marque, had the later stripe. I had the impression at the time that the 'vans with the drop at both ends were a little older than just the immediately previous year; that may have been a mistaken impression, since at the time I was very new to Safaris, but if I was right that puts the change as nearer to 1972 than 1974.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:42:55 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 15/05/2005 16:23
A - Gas Locker Change; B - Front Badge Change
GAS LOCKER: Two changes (not just one) between 1974 and 1980
1. Change of exterior shape, and capacity of locker
Brian's researches have dated the change to the later streamlined shape as between 1974 and 1978, but have not indicated just where within this four-year period. From my own observations I am happy to concur; my parents' 1974 12/2 (which they bought new) had the earlier shape, and some of their later photographs indicate that they subsequently changed it for the later design, while my 1978 17/2 has the later shape and I have no reason to doubt that that is original.
The later shape is designed to accommodate an on-board battery as well as the two gas cylinders, while the earlier one had room for only the gas cylinders. Thus there is good reason why an earlier 'van may have subsequently been fitted with the later design of gas locker.
Today I again drove past the local 1976 12/2 (detailed on the Sales message board), and noticed that it has the earlier shape of gas locker.
Assuming that this is original, and since I cannot think of a good reason why anyone would have replaced the later design with the earlier one it seems reasonable to assume it is indeed original, this dates the change as not earlier than 1976 and more probably 1977-78.
2. Change to Interior of Locker
The gas locker on my my 1978 Safari has a GRP rear wall that follows the curvature of the front wall of the caravan, which is only a few millimetres behind it. Thus the locker is totally enclosed except at the bottom, and any internal aftermarket fittings (such as electrical connector blocks, gas changeover switches, etc.,) that an owner may wish to add may be screwed to the rear wall of the gas locker.
My 1980 Safari, of the same model, appears to be more lightly constructed in several details, and (from memory of the 1978 'van) the plated MGW is 25 kg lighter. Amongst the changes, the gas locker no longer has its rear wall, and is now is now open at the rear - but of course still sits with the rear edges of its sides only a few millimetres in front of the front wall of the caravan. Thus any corresponding internal aftermarket fittings are now screwed to the front wall of the actual caravan body.
FRONT BADGE CHANGE
Brian has identified a change from a round badge to a winged one, and has asked for help in dating this. There was however a subsequent further change.
Up to at least 1978 the winged badge was the traditional Safari Caravans badge, with a domed green centre that from memory I think was a partial world map (globe), and in many cases (I think all) also gave the "birthplace" as Stroud, Glos. By 1980 however this had become a similarly winged Cosalt badge, with the same outer portion (including the wings), but instead of the central domed green Safari badge it had a flat and black Cosalt badge.
To my eyes, the earlier version of the winged badge is by far the more attractive of the two !!
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:43:15 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 18/05/2005 18:44
Update 18th May 2005: Dates of Transitions to the Two Later Designs of Rear Lamps
New member Sylvesteruk1 with a 1979 13/4 confirms that the correct lamps (which he is currently seeking) for his Safari are the loung double tapered rectangular type, as used up to 1978.
He tells me that he has his 'van stored adjacent to a friend's Safari, both in near-immaculate condition, and that the Serial Numbers differ by just 8 numbers. He has checked the lights on his friend's 'van.
This seems to suggest he has checked the dates of both 'vans from their serial numbers, and that the two were made just 8 'vans apart (quite probably in the same week), and that we can place fair reliance on them both being 1979.
This therefore indicates that these lamps were fitted up to and including 1979, and we know that the design was different for 1980, and radically different again for 1981 - the latter being much a more modern design, inset rather than bulkhead mounted, and with integral reversing lamps.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:44:02 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 02/06/2005 11:54
Front & Rear Window Changes
Front Windows
1962 - 1966 / 67 - as dated by Brian:
2-piece front window. On all the photographs I have seen this was two separate windows side by side, with a narrow bodywork pillar between them.
c. 1970
From 1970 sales drawings and photos which have just come into my possession, for this year (at least) the front window was 3-piece, but with a very different construction from the previous "2-piece" window; it now appears to be effectively all one window, but with two narrow dividers as an integral part of the window. See Sales Drawings and photos in photo album "1970 Sales Documents".
This was a very elegant window, and the dividers may perhaps have been primarily for cosmetic reasons.
Beyond knowing that this was current in 1970 I do not as yet have any evidence as to when this design came in, and although I do have evidence that it had been superseded by 1974 I cannot as yet date the latter change any more precisely than that.
Early 70s - 1980
Photographs of my late parents’ 1974 12/2 show that it had the one-piece front window that essentially then remained to the end of the line. Note that until 1981 this was non-opening, and that the handbook specifically stated that this was in order to "eliminate the problems of leaks so frequently found with opening front windows".
1981 -2
The window remained non-opening up to at least the start of 1980 (my 17/2 being no. 80002, and having still the non-opening front window). By 1981 the front window was an opening one, but otherwise essentially the same.
Rear Windows
I have not fully researched this, but when using the caravans I have been very conscious that the sink and cooker unit on both my 1978 and 1980 17/2s is a few inches higher than on both the 1981 and 1982 14/2s - to the extent that being used to the one I find the other uncomfortably low.
Coupled with this, when towing with a normal car (as distinct from a big 4x4) there is better through vision with the 1981-2 14/2s than with the earlier 17/2s, and this seems the only conceivable reason for a change that is actually less comfortable in use.
Presumably this means that there is a difference of a few inches in the depth of the rear window, but I have not yet measured. And of course this has implications for anyone trying to source a replacement window if they are not all interchangeable.
I don’t yet know whether this is model-specific or date-specific. It could reasonably be either, but I suspect that it is more likely to be a change for 1981 (when they changed the shape of the lower part of the rear panel) that applies across all models. I suspect they are unlikely to have embraced the additional costs of using two similar but slightly different (and non-interchangeable) rear panels simultaneously.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:44:31 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 04/07/2005 14:34
Latest information about the transition to double glazing.
It seems that this was phased in, during the course of 1976, over a run of a comparatively small number of vans either side of serial number 76300.
The evidence comes from two message on the Sales message board, both advertising 1976 12/2s, with serial numbers only 15 'vans apart. No. 76290 has a double glazed plastic front window, but all other windows are single glazed glass; no. 76305 has plastic double glazing to all main windows, but the rooflights are still single-glazed.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:45:16 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 15/02/2006 23:41
Introduction of Wheel Spats - 1979 a Transition Year
Minor correction to my message earlier this evening.
We now have photos of a second Safari (Romilly11: "safari, our first caravan") which has the end panel used up to 1979 and fitted with wheel spats. The other photo is "lanny's 12-2 for sale".
We already knew that wheel spats were used from (at least) 1980 through to the end of the traditional Safaris and into the GTX 400 in 1982. We also already knew that this design of end panel was used up and including 1978, that at least one 1979 'van ("lanny's 12-2") also used it, and that the later design of rear end panel was in use by at least the start of 1980.
1979 therefore seems to be the last year that the earlier design of end panel was used and the first year that wheel spats were fitted.
We have no information yet as to whether the transition to the later rear end panel came in during the course of 1979 or after the end of the year and the beginning of 1980, and no information on whether the wheel spats were fitted from the start of 1979 or came in part way through that year.
Regards,
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:45:44 GMT
From: Sylvesteruk1 Sent: 16/02/2006 19:01
My 1979 Safari 13/4 has the "earlier" design rear panel as does my friends Eddie and Joan Farrall`s 1979 13/4, together with of course wheel spats and with only five serial numbers difference we know they are correct.
I also bought a 1979 13/4 and 14/2 last year for spares with the same type rear panels and wheel spats.
The original Safari colour brochures I have for the 1978 model year show we have the "early" design rear end but of course no wheel spats.
Both 1978 and 1979 models had bubble plastic windows and the later more stream lined gas bottle locker.
Hopefully with our "big" planned get together this year we shall be able to observe at first hand the model year differences.
You can easily find me at this event as I will be the one drinking wine outside my van in a SAFARI engraved glass!
Mike
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:46:20 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 17/02/2006 09:00
Thank you Mike.
So it seems that we know a small number of 1979 'vans and that they all have the earlier rear end panel and wheel spats. It looks as though the combination of the two may be a conclusive dating indicator of a 1979 'van, unless anyone knows of a 1979 one either with the later rear end panel or with the earlier panel but without spats.
The double glazed plastic "bubble" windows came in a little earlier than 1978; we know of two 1976 'vans that are partially double glazed - a 12-2 (no. 76305) with single glazed roof lights but otherwise fully double glazed, and another which (from memory) is double glazed at the front only. So unless anyone knows of a partially double glazed 'van from a different year I think this indicates that it was phased in over the course of 1976, and the transition was probably completed within the one year.
I am not sure precisely when the longer and more streamlined gas locker was introduced, but certainly it was after 1974 and I concur with you that it was in use by 1978. However the presence of the later design on a 'van is not a reliable dating indicator because the later design will readily fit the earlier 'vans and is a significant improvement, not only aesthetically but functionally (since it provides space for an on board battery), so after they were introduced a number of owners of then modern Safaris with the earlier design fairly quickly chose to upgrade.
Regards,
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:46:46 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 12/07/2006 04:39
Refinement of Dating Introduction of Streamlined Gas Bottle Locker
A 17-S on eBay today, wrongly described as 17/4s, is described as 1977 and still has the earlier design of gas locker. There is no corroborration of the stated date, but it is double glazed, which puts it at not earlier than 1976; in default of corroboration it therefore seems likely that the stated date is correct.
I had previously narrowed down the dating of the gas locker change to not earlier than 1976, probably not later than 1978, and most likely 1977-8.
This new one on eBay seems to fix the lower end; if it is correctly dated, the earlier design was still in use in 1977.
Since my earlier estimate I have seen no reason to revise my upper limit; my own 1978 17-2 has the later more streamlined design, and although I can't vouch for that being original all the other 1978 Safaris that I have seen also have the later design, so that would seem to be correct for that year.
So the best estimate for the introduction of the later gas locker, with provision for on-board battery, is 1978, or possibly late 1977.
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:47:11 GMT
From: 2Diesels Sent: 02/08/2006 12:43
I dont know if any of this helps but that free 73 12/2 I got has the vertical beading half way along the sides, it has the green globe winged badge, the rear panel is aluminium but I dont think the lights are original but I could be wrong, they are the cheap ones which look quite similar to the Britax ones, the contrasting stripe is straight at the rear end, it has the thin stripe above the windows & no stripe along the very bottom, it has obviously the square gas locker & glass windows & a square topped door, it also has quite a few louvred aluminium vents in the body.
My good one 79 12/2 has the fibreglass rear panel with the raised plinths for the triangles, no. plate lamp & tail lamps which you can see from my photos anyway (Colin's Safari) it has the thin pressed aluminium winged badge inlayed in red which from memory has COSALT written across the middle & SAFARI CARAVANS written around the circular border but I would have to check to be sure, it has the later gas locker & plastic windows, the toilet window has 2 louvred sections at the top.
I dont suppose I've told you anything you didnt already know but it was just a thought,
Regards Colin
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:47:40 GMT
From: TeddyvanGogh Sent: 02/09/2006 19:57
Hi
Eric & I have been reading the above correspondence and noted the discussion regarding double glazed windows. We don't know if it would be of any help or not but our 1978 17/4 only has one double glazed window, which is the front one, all the others are single glazed. Our van therefore fits in somewhere between Oliver's 12/2 and 17/2 and quite rightly our stripe does not slope downwards at the rear. We've decided to post some photos of the outside of our Safari 17/4 and hope this will be of help when discussing style etc. We don't, at the moment, have a photo of the rear of the van but will post it as soon as we can and the inside of the van is still undergoing major renovation.
Eric & Les
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:48:06 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 02/09/2006 21:22
That has really put the cat among the pigeons; I am not as yet aware of any other Safaris using even partial single glazing any later than 1976, but I presume you are absolutely certain of the date of your one and that the serial number tallies with it.
And my own 1978 17-2 is double glazed throughout.
The side flash is correct, but not prescriptive; to the best of our knowledge the drop to the rear had ceased by 1974. although that may have been the first year without it. Most certainly, and I have just checked against photos of it, our 1974 12-2 had no droop to the rear, and my recollection at the time when this was a new 'van is that I was aware that older models had the rear droop.
Does anyone know of any other Safaris later than 1976 that have any single glazing, or of any Safaris that have any other anachronistic features?
Regards,
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:48:34 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 02/09/2006 21:33
I have just looked at your photos, and I see that you also have the earlier style of gas locker, and from other evidence that seems to have given way to the later design in 1978 or possibly late 1977.
Sorry to question your assertion about the date of your own 'van, but is it possible that you might be mistaken? The combination of windows and gas locker seem to point firmly to 1976. Do you have the serial number?
If yours is indeed 1978 there is a considerable mystery as to why it has these two earlier features; it is remotely possible that there might be something very unusual and perhaps interesting in its history to explain this.
Regards,
Oliver
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:49:00 GMT
From: TeddyvanGogh Sent: 10/09/2006 16:06
Hi Oliver
Many thanks for your response. Our apologies, you are quite correct, we have listed the serial number incorrectly. The number on the plate is 76243 which corresponds with your comments regarding single glazing on 76 models. What you don't know about the Safari caravan is not worth knowing. Your knowledge comes in really useful. Well done.
Regards
Eric & Les
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:49:40 GMT
From: Brian Sent: 24/09/2006 08:21
OPENING FRONT WINDOW
In Oliver's message on the front window changes he refers to the window in 1981 becoming an opening type, and this seems to tie in with the change to square top corners to the window.
Probably due to the hinge mechanism as it would had been difficult to make a seal in this area with curved corners.
Brian
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:50:15 GMT
From: pictishpunkgirl Sent: 28/06/2007 14:13
Ours has double glazed windows all round except for the roof vents. The serial number is 77294 so I presume that makes it a 1977 one?
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Post by Brian M on Oct 27, 2008 21:50:44 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 28/06/2007 20:15
Yes, 77294 indicates that it was built in 1977, and was the 294th one built that year, - which I rather gather puts it well into the second half of the year, although I am open to correction on that detail.
Very interesting that your one has single glazed rooflights although everything else is double glazed; we had known for some time of some 1976 Safaris that have this transitional arrangement, but I am not aware that we knew of any later ones that have it. So this updates our still incomplete knowledge of the development of the marque.
We had previously thought that this was a feature of the 1976 'vans only, but it now seems that we must broaden that to include both these years.
Oliver
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Post by mikeandfiona on Dec 29, 2021 20:01:37 GMT
From: OliverShaw1 Sent: 30/04/2005 18:29 Introduction of Double Glazing We already know that my late parents' 1974 12/2 was single glazed and that my 1978 17/2 is double glazed, so in dating the introduction of double glazing we are looking at somewhere within that 4-year slot. I have now just seen a 1976 12/2, serial number (from memory) 76305, which appears to be on the transition point. Main windows, at least at the front, are double glazed. Rooflights (in the lantern roof) are single glazed. It was only after I came home that I realised I had not noticed which type the door window has, and had not looked at the rear windows (kitchen and loo). Oliver |
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Post by mikeandfiona on Dec 29, 2021 20:07:22 GMT
Oliver, this is a message from way back but I have just become the owner of 12/2 serial no. 76285, just five before the one above, and it has the double glazed plastic front window but all others single glass, and capable of opening. I wondered why not all doubled glazed but being hinged for opening and also smaller area is maybe the answer. Regards, Mike.
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